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so, what is the zone comming to? First of all, can someone tell us why he was banned? #@what terms did he break? There can be lots of lively debate but at the end of the day. we need to know the why's? this way some of us can make our own conclusions. If it was because he foned with minor. well, shouldnt the owners of the site notify the proper authorities? if, it was becasue he wanted to bring the u.s. of a. down, shouldnt the owners notify homeland security? if he was making threats agains property, liberty's, or life, shouldnt the property authorities be notified? if it is because he did not respond to same sex advantages from owners or cl's well guess he is just fucked! anyways, most of you will get where this is going. so what do u think? bring him back or not? why? why not?
I didn't know he's been banned, but I have a feeling it had something to do with his relentless making fun of Joshua and other people on here. Not making any judgments, but just stating why I think he might have been banned.
I never really had a problem with garret. I mean, if i have him on facebook, then i think he's cool. the only thing I hated was when he kept calling me easy-lippin jess. I think he should come bak, cause now the zone has like no more entertainment!
I don't...have the slightest clu why he was banned, but the zone and I will be lonely without him here. Please, bring Yankee back!
Hello all,
I'm posting on the banning of yankee g wolverine, AKA garret. I have no problems with him, in fact, he's a very good source of entertainment. I'm not sure why he's been banned, however, if it was just for making fun of people, what happened to the ignore feature? why can't it be used in this situation? This is what i think. If some one out here don't like what people say around here, just hit that old ignore link and there you go! people have to be too damn picky around here when all you got to do is ignore some one you don't like. sorry, my thoughts on the subject. take care all.
Greg
Agreed. Bring Garret back. The ignore feature is there for a reason. If it was in fact for the teasing of Josh, Josh had simply to click the ignore link and keep it ignored. I know he knows how to do it, I saw him ignore me a few times. So bring the wolverine back! Let's keep the entertainment going on here, not stifle everyone because a couple people get pissy.
I don't think Garret should be banned. Even though the stuff he posted on the boards was really wrong. seirously, i don't know how people can get entertainment from that. at first, it was just weird and sort of amusing in a really stupid way, but then it got way out of hand. I mean, lik everybody said, there's still the ignore feature, but still. I don't really know if Garret should or should not come back. he added some life to the zone, but not in the way taht he did on that topics. and if the only way people can get entertainment is making fun and putting other people down, then seirously, i dont wnt to be part of the zone anymore. come on, kill me. lol
Well, hears my thing. And, i no alot of people are gunna dissagree with me. But, yes, he made fun of joshua, yes, he kept going with it, yes, that's not cool, but, joshua could have just as eazally used the ignore veature if he wanted too. So, that's like me trying to get a sertain person band coz they always spam me with fuckin pqn's when there on. Couldn't i just use the ignore feature? I can't say i agree with the banning to be honest. Heaps of people give people loads of shit around here, i'll frely admit i'm one of them. But, your quite within your rights to ignore me. I couldn't care less, garret aka my reversalclone was just like that too. Not i'm hella close to garret, and, i no him, probibley better than the vast majority of people here. He has a hole other side people don't see. I say bring him back! Coz, this place just won't be the same with out my reversalclone aka garret.
what is so hard for you wpeople to understand ... gizmo i have said this over and over again... but read it once again ... garret was already on a permanent ban. He was allowed back on a trial basis. SIMPLY HE DIDNT FOLLOW THROUGH. end of story nothing more to speculate...
bring garret back. life won't be the same with out him.
at this point no one knows what the hell the guy did that some others on here did or din't do when it came to bozack. I will say this Garret did what he did if he was wrong then yes, but what is wrong if you have a person who admitted to hacking another zoners account and still didn't get band not saying the name because they know who they are but when a person is getting tormented then there is the ignore link and it states in the terms of service, "we are not your parrents." So what that mean for those who need it broken down to them is that, when you have a problem there is the ignore link for you if you don't want to see them then hit that link and any messege that is being see by others who are seeing what that person wrote is them not you. now if a person is posting what the person wrote and there on ignore then yes that's wrong. I just have to say that you know the difference between right and wrong and why with hold one band and let the other slide as I recolect from earlier.
I agree with what becky posted. I saw his account disabeled status in the josh flaming boards.
I'm sad that Garret got banned too, but I guess they have to save their sanity in andmiestration land. They oviously aren't going to give us a straigh up answer about what term ehe broe, but... I have a feeling it has to do with the hassling, but it isn't like that we saw Garret was trying to get around ate ignore feature through other people to talk to Joshuah, and in that case my oppinion is it's more like baby sitting, but I wasn't there and can't know for sure there fore i'm sorry he's gone and it's unfortunate he can't come back. oh well
agreed shaun
maybe it wasn't verble abuse. Maybe it was something else? IDK know what happened or who all was involved but you all are determened that it was because of josh, but what if it wasn't? It could have eassly been something else.
there was a bit of thigns that apparently went on and this previous permanent ban state didn't have anyhting to do with the ridiculing of the other zoners and the like. He did something that was more obscure and would potentially affect someone. Unfortunately it is either lack of disclossure (transparency) on the subject or just that the same action was repeated. If this is a trial case and he had been banned before, I never saw a board that's as pathetic and as ridiculous as this one. There have been many people who have been banned and no one says a word about them and less makes a board post asking them to be brought back. This makes me remember... there was a sighted person, who obviously has no idea how you would crash a screen reader. However, the words that we know that lead to that effect were highly debated. So, the person asks the person in question (the one that has been banned) what the word meant, on their instant messaging program. So, he starts taking this to his advantage and because this was such a restricted and controversial topic, the person gets banned. So, lets examine the things here: The terms of serivce do prohibit such words in use ON THE ZONE ONLY. NOthing is mentioned about external mediums like msn, or aim for that matter. Secondly, the person probably didn't have an idea about screen readers and even more so how to crash the eloquence synthesizer. But no, that person still gets banned and everyone thinks its funny. THis happened before he wasn't on that permanent ban by the way. Sure, someone can be a total different person outside the zone, but obviously the zone has no control outside other sites or other places of the internet for that matter. Unfortunately, the United States and its copyright bullies are teaching us that they can arrest people outside their country, charge them thosands and thousands, and dominate the world in some way or another, and then not get in trial for it. Basically, if you commit a cryme outside the United States you cannot be judged. As much as you like it or not, this is reality and it is what is pretty much happening right now.
holy shit what the fuck did all that have to go with garret, your all shot in the head, it was because of the shi with joshua ball bag, but as people have said josh had the ignore link, the cl's aren't parents. plus garret wasn't even the only one, and you know your self if you joined in with the pickin gon josh. i said if before and i'll say it again, it ain't gonna be the save with out the good old yanky. now i am going ot bed.
If Garret was banned over the Josh thing, I think that's a stupid reason to ban a user. Trial basis or not. Was Garret warned that the board postings could get him banned? If not, why didn't the CL's lock the topic or simply delete the offending thread all together?
Garret should never be banned. This kind of stuffs always gone on here, and it will continue to do so. As far as I can see, he hasn't broken any T.O.S.
Linds, read all the boards, and note how he's behaved. He had no intention of working on his attitude to learn to be nice to those he preferred not too, and even worse, those who were less fortunate than himself.
yes, there is an 'ignore" link, but for whatever reason, some people can't use it.
Garet didn't have to respond time and time again to Josh etc, but he did, showing that he preferred to make him a laughing stock, rather than just simply ignoring him.
so he got what was coming.
How did he "get what's coming to him?" I for one have seen alot of other people act the way my reversalclone did, even me. And, i understand he was back on a trile, but, to be honest, there's many more people that should be band for much better reasons than that. For example, there are people that have openly admitted in public quicknotes that there using someone elsses account, and, nothing happpends. Now, there's a total breach of the t.o.s. It appears the "we are not your perrents" thing shouldn't be there. Joshua could have delbt with this him self, buy clicking ignore links, that's what there there fore. And, if ya don't wanna do that, this is gunna sound harsh, but, fuckin deel with what's thrown at you for christ sake. Garret was only acting the way a hell of alot of us do, that's why i don't think this is valid. Because, technicly speeking, there's alot of people that should be band, and, honestly, for worss things than this.
Oh my God. Seriously. Garret's cool, but this is retarded. Doug already said he was on a trial thing after being permanently banned, and he messed it up. End of story. What's the point of speculating and bitching and getting all bent out of shape. If you're really so close to him that you're this upset over him being gone, surely you have other ways of contacting him. There is a Zone without Garret, believe it or not. It's not just going to fall apart and die without him. And if your idea of 'bringing life to the Zone' is what Garret did, then I'm glad there's more to the Zone than just you guys. I have no problem with anyone who's posted here, just sayin'.
And if I were Garret I'd be laughing my ass off at all this fuss over one little banning that may or may not have to do with Joshua whatever. No one knows that's the reason.
All i will say is there are a lot of people on here who are determined not to be nice to people that they don't want to be nice to, so... But I do also understand that a scapegoat has to be found.
I agree with post 21. Granted, garret and I weren't always on the best of terms. At times, I didn't understand him because one minute, he was nice to me and the next, he said things about me. But they were never things that were so bad that would require a banning and he also defended me in several situations. As was already pointed out, there are people here who do much worse things than him. Granted, the Josh thing did get a little crazy, but he's partly to blame for not ignoring people and for continually provoking them. and I agree that if the post was so offensive, it should've been locked or deleted and some kind of official warning should have been made publically. So if we're gonna ban garret, then we should look at other people as well.
I agree with Sky. There's so much other stuff, other people and other stuff on the sight that the leaders and admins need to be focusing on. Garret did what a lot of zoners do and picked on people. It's a natural thing. Most of us should be banned if that's what Garret's getting it for. It just totally doesn't make sense. And probation is fine, but he needs to know about it, and it needs to be a set period. This is just complete crap.
that trial thing is bullshit. there's shouldn't be no fucking trial. that's like being kinda sorta pregnant. either you are, or you ain't. symple as that. I think people should spam the living shit out of chris n and jj's in boxes until they let him come back. I was actually one of garret's closest guy friends on here. I liked him and trusted him and never had a single problem with him. and who ever pulled the trigger on his account, shame on you. there are a lot more people out there who deserve a banning than he did. ok, so the joshua.ballsack thing might have gone a bit too far. but were they ready to ban him because he uttered death threts? no. they held his hand and told us all to just ignore him. but did they tell people to ignore garret? no they didn't, even though he is one of the highest ignored on here, behind kevin and lutherk. this just absolutely stinks of favoritism, and the fact that they would let a useless waste of oxygen like joshua get away with shit, just because he has supposed autism, but the cl's didn't like garret, so they came up with this bullshit trial crap, to cover their asses so that they could literally say, well if he looks at us the wrong way, we can ban him and we'll be justified in doing so. I think the cl's were looking for any excuse to get rid of him, hence the trial basis bullshit. so they could get rid of him and not have to state a reason.
So all of you, spam the admins relentlessly if you want him back, and I hope who ever did pull the trigger on him resigns. because if people find out who you are mr cl person, you might wanna pull an ather and not show up here for a good long time, because I have a strong feeling there will be quite a lot of rezentment shown towards you.
Cam
I had absolutely no problem with Garret whatsoever, but I know that he can come off as an assholem and have a little fun, but he is a good person whether you want to believe that or not. However you see others acting the same way yet nothing has been done about them either right? In fact I know I'm right so don't even try to argue that point across with me because you won't win that scuffle.
If it was over the Joshua Bozac deal that I most consider to be the stupidest ban I've seen. Joshua had plenty of chances to put Garret on ignore but didn't take the adice and the same goes for everyone else who had a problem with Garret.
Here's another thing I feel I should bring up. Why did the CL's neglect to ban Joshua for making Death Threats and also using a Racial Slur term? I do believe that IS against the T.O.S. what Garret was doing could have been prevented had Joshua taken the advice to begin with.
You should've banned Joshua not Garret. Nuff said!
not once did any of the cl's state that he was banned clearly on the joshua crap. so your all making a fuss over something you know absolutely nothing about. if he was back on a trial bass. if he really wanted to stay, then don't you think he should have lightened up? I mean come on. bragging about almost getting a certain person to commit suicide? wow! May not be a reason for him to be banned, but if your on trial and you come back straight away and create havick. I mean how long has it been since there was someone being picked on this badly? yeah, when garett was here. it seems the clan has to follow his lead. I have absolutely no idea why garett was banned, it's really none of my concern. obviously the cl's and admins have there reasons. they don't just say hey i'm going to ban this person for no reason. they vote on it and that's that. they never even had to let him back on a trial bases. he was on a permanat bann. but they gave him the benefit of the doubt he would calm down. now did he? look at the boards and you've got your answer.
hmmm, i seem to remember a certain thread that was like some of these posts, some other people should be banned for things? I believe it was called "vote for me as a CL" by Squiggles, and u all shot him down, and now your doing the same thing he was trying to do. NOt the CL part, but the banning people part.
i'm lost as to what your getting at? hehehe
i totally agree with Cam and Skye, 100 percent. this absolutely stinks! you kno what's even worse, is that they didn't even have the balls to tell Garret exactly why he was band in the first place. yeah, so he made fun of Joshua, so did others, me included. the ignore link is their for a reason! the fucked up asshole should have just used it, and quit wining like a spoilt brat! it just shows that cl's play favourites around here, and that's wrong! i also agree with whoever said it, that the "we are not your parents" thing should be removed, if this is the case, and if it is, than that makes me think that that whole statement is a ly, cause they are acting like all the cry babies parents. "oh, we'll get rid of the bully's for you. don't cry". also, i can't remember if it was said, but i think that this "trial period" was just a smoke screen to make Garret a target for the power trippers, and not just him, but anyone who they said that to as well. see, this is why people around here are losing respect for the cl's, cause they think it's easier just to hit the disable button on someones acount, then try and work things out first. fare enough, if someone hacked into someone elses acount, that would be justified, but, just making fun of someone, or making some remarks that someone doesn't like, well, that's just perthetic! so, i think that Garret should be allowed to come back, that is, if he still wants to.
"hmmm, i seem to remember a certain thread that was like some of these posts, some other people should be banned for things? I believe it was called "vote
for me as a CL" by Squiggles, and u all shot him down, and now your doing the same thing he was trying to do. NOt the CL part, but the banning people part." While this does have some validity, many people look at whats been done recently and not at the actions. If this was a permanent ban then why go the extra mile and give the person a "trial"? Its interesting to note that there is lack of transparency indeed, though of course since you all have "freedom of speech" you can cry and complain all you want and say "bring sexy back" all you want and nothing will happen to you, simply because you can utter pretty much whatever you want. However, the decision is final, and that is marked on the TOS. This is just the internet people, move on.
bring sexy back? lmfao! hello justin timberlake fan! anyway, that isn't what i want to say at all, it just amused me, lol. what i wanted to say is this, the email says absolutely nothing more than what some of us expected, and that is, this has been done over the cunttrap board. yeah, i said cunttrap, okay?
I'm just absolutely disgusted with the lack of professionalism that was used against him. I think and truly hope, that the cl's have learned their lesson. no trial period bullshit from here on out. I'll state again what I did in my last post. you're either here, given the full benefit of the doubt, or you're not. you're banned for good and that's that. the trial period just brings in too much of a gray area. as I said, total lack of professionalism on the part of the cl's. Oh yeah, and a side order of power tripping too probably went down well there.
Cam
totally agreed, Cam.
Wow, totally agreed cam and lizzy. And, i may ad, I'm not just talking out of my ass, i no the joshua thing is alot of the reason he got banned again. I mean, fuckin hell, this is bull shit. To be honest, if your gunna ban garret, joshua should be banned too. Is him sending death threts not enough for people? And, while where on the subject of being banned, you might as well ban half of us at least, coz, i no for one i definatly rip the hell in to people, and, don't deny it, and have no problem doing it, so, isn't that the same as garret? Fuckin shit loads of us do the same thing, and, it really does seem like garret was just a fuckin target. So much more of this needs to be looked in to. It's almost like there's just a "when we feel like it" set of rools, just for when people need a reason to ban or, worn someone.
That's all it is. I've ripped people myself. I have, like Sky, no problem with it. But if the CL's just want to play favorites, and pussy-foot with some people and completely disregard the processes that are fair for others, then fuck this place. They won't get my money again. I will put this place down like the shithole it is. If the people running this have any decency at all they will account for their actions and fix things. If not, I'm out.
Wow... I wonder how come no one got banned for making fun of Tyler? lol There's nothing you guys can do about Garret being banned so don't try. haha It is after all not a democracy... I don't really know or care what the reason was for him being banned but I think that trile thing was just a handy excuse. I wonder if the admins/cls gave him a specified time limit until they banned him? If not, that is really messed up not to even give him a warning. But whatever. I don't find the things he says when making fun of others amusing but I personally never had a problem with Garret. I too think Josh is a wining b**ch who should have used the ignore feature. I've personally told him not to get all riled up but he never listened. I know for a fact Doug has told him time and time again to use the ignore feature but did he listen? No... It's great to have handy excuses when you don't like a fucker. :d
I'd like to start out by saying that I consider several of the zone staff to be personal friends. And those that I am not completely acquainted with (which is all but one) are people I know well enough to really like anyway. So I know without a doubt that whatever decision was made was made in the best interest of the site, at least in their eyes. It may have been a decision made in haste, a decision based upon biased opinions, a decision made in stress, or a decision made under pressure, but I highly doubt that they were intending to be tools or make anyone's lives miserable. In fact, they know making people's lives miserable comes with the job of being a CL, and it doesn't happen intentionally. I'm saying this because I disagree with them based upon what I do know, and I don't want anyone taking that personally. I also want you guys to keep in mind that I'm not Garet's personal #1 fan or anything. But I do consider Garet to be a friend and an awesome person, despite how he might go overbord sometimes.
According to the email that Garet got from the zonebbs support system, which he sent me a copy of, he was banned for two reasons.
1. He continuously harasses users through publick quick notes even when they put him on ignore.
2. He posted personal information that was sent to him via private messages to the boards.
Both reasons are said to be in violation of the T.O.S., section 4. Now, let me remind you all of what section 4 says, so there is no discrepancy among anyone reading this post.
4. Harassment of other users is not tollerated. This includes, but is not limited to, the following:
• repeatedly annoying other users after they have requested such annoyance to sease
• Threats against other users
• The spreading of personal information
• Using any means to evade a user's ignore settings to contact them
• Sending spam or chain letters in public or private communications
Now, let's address reason 1, shall we? If someone harasses you, you have the option of putting all options of communication from that person on ignore. So the harassment stops there. Why should it be a big deal if Garet chooses to still talk about someone? If they have him on ignore, he can't see it anymore! How can there be harassment if the other person can't and shouldn't be seeing what you're saying? Shouldn't you deal with those who are making it possible for the harassment to continue? These are the people who are telling the users in question what Garet is saying, not Garet. But wait! Apparently these people are going to be dealt with as well! Now, that's a wise move. But I think if harassment did include talking about someone over pqn's after they put him on ignore, that should have been included in the T. O. S. But it's not, and no one should be telling people what someone is saying about them if that person is using the ignore feature. But that's another violation of the T. O. S. that has absolutely nothing to do with Garet. So, I see the point, but I don't like it.
Reason 2 had to do with posting personal information. Now, I can see why this rule is taken very seriously. If someone posted your phone number on the internet, that person could easily get information about you that could be used maliciously. And there are many other cases in which this rule protects all of us rather than harms us. However, the information that was posted, according to Garet, was at the permission of the person whom Garet was writing about. The T. O. S. does not cover these instances, so I can see someone speaking to Garet about this matter and removing his post. But a ban based upon these grounds?
In short, I understand Garet can be a hard person to deal with, from the standpoint of a CL. They made the choice to let someone back onto the site whom they felt breached their T. O. S. in the past. And they had good reason to feel that way, regardless of whether everyone agrees with the actions that were taken then, mainly his banning before he was let back onto the site. But Garet has expressed to several of us his willingness not to say something if it is going to get him banned. He has still been his usual self, but I can see that he really thinks before he talks now. Or, he did before he got that email that told him he can't go on the zone anymore. I can totally see where the frustration with Garet is coming from, but I think if the CL's continued to work with Garet, he could be tolerated. I know everyone here might not see that he was trying, but I did and still do.
I agree with you I saw Garret and how he was trying his best and I commend him on that, he was alot better than a year or so ago no question on that.
well said rosey. very, very well said. serious kutos to you. and I don't think that posting a private message to a board should violate the tos. especially if it didn't have any personal innformation in it, which the ones from joshua did not. hell I even received several of them myself, and yes, I did post them myself! I hate to seem like a repedative piece of shit, but they were too busy holding joshua's hand and feeding him his bottle and telling us to just ignore him, and not banning him because mental condition or not, he violated the tos by uttering death threts. if garret did indeed post personal information about a user, I can totally understand why he would be banned. but if he did so with the permission of this user, as rosey said, that should negate the tos.
in short, good job rosey. couldn't have said it better myself. and as I said before, I like garret. he's a great guy, and probably the only male zoner on here that I can seriously say I'm really good friends with. I'm sure the cl's, or chris n, couldn't give a flying fuck about this board or the people who post to it. but if most of us are saying we feel he was banned unjustly, they should take that into consideration. but since this place seems to be becoming more and more communist with each passing day, I fear our frustrations are falling on deaf ears, and into the never ending abiss known as we don't give a flying fuck what the users think.
Cam
Oh, sorry. Clarification on the PM thing. Apparently, Garet had told this guy that if he sent him any PM's, he would post them. The guy had the warning and still sent him PM's anyway. And the so-called personal information was the PM's that were sent. Now, to me, the whole personal information thing in the T. O. S. seems very braud. And personally, if I see personal information, I'm not going to think that PM's are covered under this. I'm thinking of posting somebody's name, address, phone number, email, or information that should be kept sensitive in real life, like posting that someone is a prostitue or a drug dealer when they don't want that disclosed. That's an extreme. A smaller T. O. S. offense would be like someone talking about how you were virbally or physically abused when you did not wish to have that made known. But a personal message that someone said to you in which they're speaking negative toward you? How can this be a breach of spreading personal information? I'm sorry. Even if this message were posted without the person knowing it were going to be posted, there is no personal information in it, only negative feelings expressed toward Garet! I'm bewildered...
I agree 100% with what Rosie and Sky said.
I think we've got the cl's on a major technicality here. now as to whether or not they'll admit it, and amend the tos, is another story.
i absolutely agree with you guys all the way. specially Skye and Cam. this was just plain and outright playing favourites, no if ands or buts, and, it's what i was getting at when i mentioned the email that was sent to Garret. i'll say this right now, i bitched at Joshua, and i'll do it again! no problems what so ever, and, anyone else who decides to be a little wyney cry baby. i have lost respect for all but one cl in this place, and not just over this, but over other things as well. this was just the last straw.
The respect for the CL's in my book has dropped, and continues to drop. I can't add anything more to what's already been said, but agreement a hundred percent with Rosie's later message, and the general movement for Garret.
lmaooo, edit the tos? as i said before, there's 2 sets of rools for this place, the ones we see, and, the ones that just get baught out when they need to be.
And, with what rosie said, i'm friends with alot of the cl's too, but, that damn sure isn't gunna stop me being totally fuckin strate up and honest. People don't have to like or agree with what i type, there's always the ignore feature. (that soooo many people seem to forget about) this hoel thing would have been sorted if this winy fuckin kid would have just listened to people. I mean, if you act like a twat in publics, your gunna get slammed, for damn sure. So, if you don't like it, ignore it for fuck sake. Don't be a fuckin cry baby and bitch and moan till action that really didn't need to be taken is taken. And, how long was this "probation" ment to last? What is this, a prison camp? Jesus, with some of the things i've said, i should damn near be band too. Why garret aka reversalclone, hmmm?
careful there sky, I might have to steal that l again. it's what garret would want me to do, after all.
here are my thaughts on the matter:
1. why was garet given a trial, and so long after he'd been banned for good?
2: i think garet had become a much better person, hell, at times he even made me laugh which is more than i can say for years ago.
3: why take garet?. there are other people i think that are more deserving
yeah exactly Skye. what is this, a prison camp? while i'm here, let me just refraze something i said. yes, i have lost respect for the cl's, but, not as people, but as cl's. i seriously think they should step away from the roll as a cl and look at this as people, and so should the admins. i kno theirs no chance in hell that will happen though.
after 50 posts they still haven't done anything to our knowledge. It would surprise me if anything is done. I suppose it's good they gave Garret a second chance, but to ban without warning is just wrong. I love you Rosie. I don't have anything else to add, just agreement.
Let's remember one thing. This is a business. And as such, we sign up for it. Now, if this were a brick and mortar business, how many of us that disagree with management would choose to not frequent such an establishment?
This site is run on money. Money paid by premium users like us. If we stood together and were so fed up with the management, ask for the remainder of your yearly membership back, or just don't renew it when the time comes?
I think that the reasoning behind Garret's ban is shaky at best.
Kala, either they haven't all read this, or they don't have the balls to face us, or Garret, and give a reason as to why they did this in the first place. yeah, he got an email, but that didn't explain jack shit! infact, it only just confermed what most of us thought. that little cry baby Joshua got his own way. so i herd he got band, but for how long? a week or 2, maybe a munth at best? where as Garret got the shaft even though he didn't say the n word or thretten people like Joshua did. now, if that's not playing favourites, then i don't kno what is.
I have a question, one time during a quiz, he kept crashing a persons computer, the conversion can be recovered forsure, when I asked him why he did it, the reply was because I can. Personally I wouldn't wont some around that could without any remorse crashing my computer. Now as far as the Josh stuff, I found it to be getting old. So if he was given a trial basis, and was asked not to do certain things, then was the decision that was made correctly? I am just asking. I personally think the other person should be band as well. Just my questions and thoughts
What do you guys mean by "banned without warning"? He was coming back on a trial basis, if that isn't warning, what is?
I didn't mind Garet at all and I'd welcome the man back, apart from y'all's Josh antics. And I do not think the n word is any worse than most of the things he and the rest of you who posted to this board, in fact (most of you) called Josh.
I have no idea why Garet was initially banned but I assume it was for something pretty bad, since users on this site hardly ever get banned, so you are all going on about things you don't really know much about.
People always go on about their freedom of speech but it's also freedom to take the consequences of your actions.
I'd be quite happy not to see Josh back, did he deserve some annoyance, yes he did, he also deserved a bunch of teasing and perhaps an outburst or two. What he did not deserve was organized attacks and being called a "cunt trap" the moment he had logged in, he did not deserve private messages being posted to a board (in fact if I ran the site I'd outright ban the user who posted private notes instantly, but that's just me and I have no desire to run the site).
I?m also quite curious how many of you have actually read the terms of service you agreed to, I'd be surprised if many have to be honest.
Well, I must say I think you guys covered just about every point there is to cover, so there's no point wasting space repeating what has already been said here. All I can really say is, I do not know what happened, I just read this board. I really liked Garrett, as he was funny and seemed to make people laugh! Now, I can see where some things may have gotten out of hand, but there are things that are much worse and were probably not dealt with enough. I am a victim of the hacking thing, now that is serious. Also personal info being posted such as numbers and addresses is also a very serious thing, as there is a lot of information that can be obtained from that. So like I said before, i dont want to go on into what's already been said, but I agree with the vass majority, and think some things should probably be looked at a little more carefully....
cam even if they did review the tos they won't let garret come back, he has has a sign on is back since he got back and i for one know that there were a few that wanted him gone and disagreed that he should have come back.
tom yes if this was a bricks and morta place then no we probably wouldn't be coming back,
i only just read the tos last night, never bothered to start with.
lets hope joshua does come back, cause i can see more of us getting the boot, they have made an example out of gearrt, question is who's next.
hugs for garret when he reads this next.
well said B. I'm sure the reason Garett was banned for good and joshua wasn't, was, how many times have you seen someone get banned permanantly the first time? it's a warning. Garett has had plenty of warning. I also remember the time jaws was being crashed. and that is definately against the rules of this site. Then he got people to add him to messenger and asked others to do the same so he could keep crashing there jaws off here. yeah, it was off here, but he used this site to get the info and to brag over and over about doing it. Then when jenny comes on, he makes fun of her and brags about being the reason she almost killed herself and how he's proud of that. And a lot of you claimed he has changed? He has had more than his chance to lighten up. So it's not like they just banned him and he's never caused any trouble before. he knew he was on a trial bases.
last of all. since when have the cl's here claimed to be professionals? they don't get paid to do this. They are here to make sure the rules aren't broken and when they are they have to do something about it. why should they step out of being a cl and look at it as his fellow zoner as liz suggests? come on now. that's what cl's are for, to make sure rules are followed, not here to bow to your friends. They never had to give him a second chance, i don't think they should of. he did plenty and was warned over and over last time, when he was banned permanantly. Now, i'm sure they will stick with there first decision, banned permanantly for a reason, should stay that way.
Tom, come on now. like there going to give you your money back for doing there job? lol. if they gave money back evry time they pissed zoners off, heeheh yeah, right. that would be a never ending job. hehehe
you hope joshua does come back and more of you will be banned? oh my gosh rosie why, so you guys can harass him more just because garett got banned. wow rosie, i sure didn't expect that from you of all people.
um, rosey, i mean lindsey. my bad. hhehehhehe
my typos, i ment to put doesn't come back as i can see others carrying it on. i never made a thret
lol guess i should read thing before posting. and sorry garret for spelling your name wrong woflmao
i was thinking that wasn't your style linds. it's not joshua's fault if people get banned. he doesn't make them harass him, or even reply to his rambling. so if they do get banned, it's there own fault.
*laughs! omg, this is so stupid! umm, wow? chelsea, i totally agree with you! umm? Pointless shit!...
I mean, garret's cool and everything, i have no problem with him, but,...fucking hell?
I agree with the other Chelsea; it's not the end of the world cause Garret's gone. if you're really as close to him as some of you claim, surely you'll have other means of contacting him. well, the moral of the story for Garret is, grow the fuck up! learn there's more to life than bringing others down cause of your own issues, and have some respect for yourself and those around you. to the person who said she sees a side of Garret that we don't, that's not a good thing. if a person can't be who they truly are with everyone, there's something majorly wrong with that picture...
lol cam, yeah, garret would want you to steel the l again, that is just his querky and fun nature i guess. *smiles.
but, seriously i read the tos when i first signed up, i never join a website with out doing so. I mean, that's utta stupidity right there. I'm not gunna bother reiterating what i've said, but...Garret garret garret garret garret garret garret garret garret garret! Huuuuuge huuuuuge hugs and cuddles for my reversalclone! For when you next read this. *grins
I love how all these random people come around and criticize us. When I never see them on the site, and they never bother to actually say anything. Of course everyone has other sides to them that you don't see. Do you honestly believe all of us are stupid enough to show our true personalities, for the most part, on this sort of site?
And again you're taking Josh's side when he doesn't deserve it. The CL's need to step back, because they're letting their feelings and grudges against Garret, and their prejudice that mentally challenged people deserve completely free rides get in the way of doing what's right, and what's legally deserved in both cases. Those of you who sit and criticize us need to take a look at your lives, grow up and get with the program.
Shea you say it isn't Josh's fault. Maybe not, but it isn't Garret's either. It is more Josh's fault because he didn't ignore Garret, and when he did he kept harrassing him. The way I understand this, Joshua is the one who should be getting banned for harrassing Garret after ignoring him. You, Shea and Wildebrew and them, tell me how the fuck that works?
Another point for Shea to consider. People don't have to give their MSN and AIM out. If you don't want to give it, or don't trust the person, why should they get banned? That has nothing to do with what goes on here. If people are stupid enough to A: not fix the errors, B: add someone to MSN who is most likely going to give them the errors and C: Not bother asking one, but just sit and bitch, they don't deserve any pity, sympathy or anything. You don't have to be technical at all to fix the crash words. It's a matter of 3 or 4 simple steps, that's all.
But anyway, the fact is that Garret shouldn't have gotten banned in the way that he did, if at all, and there are many, many other people who should be banned before him.
We're with you, Garret.
I'd like to add taht I read the TOS when I joined up. I read them, thought about them and agreed to them fully. If I hadn't, I wouldn't be here.
very well said Branden, and i agree with you all the way. i myself read, and still do read the tos before joining up. i don't have much to add to this, cause it's been said perfectly, and i stand by all my comments and thoes i agree with, however, i do want to say one thing, and i kno he'll read this at some point. huge huge hugs Garret Garret Garret! this place is borring without you. oh, and just before i finish this, wb, the reason why Garret was band before this one, is, or was, in his profile. not sure if you can still access it though.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again; he got what was coming to him.
He knew why he was banned last time, yet, he made no attempt to change his behaviour when he came back on trial. Unless he's got a serious problem, he surely realizes that most of the values he claims to have is dammaging to society at large.
that's all I'll be saying on the topic and the boy, because, hey, I only talk about interesting things.
LMAO Rachel; well said, girl!
I'd like to know something. When Cody posted his feelings on this nearly same matter, you all said shut the fuck up, grow up, ignore people, whatever. NOw that Garit's gone, it seems like you are going on what he said, about how people should be banned. Tell me, if you think that people should be banned, why did you say no to cody's idea?
lol i agree with chelsea and whoever said there are ways of getting in contact with garrit. i liked him, i thought the whole joshua thing was retarded yeah, but both of them could have just ignored each other. he had a trial and he messed up. i do think the cls do favor people, but since i rarely tare into people cuz i don't care enough, i don't really care. I'm not gonna have to worry about that. lol. after all, this is just a website. if you want to talk to people who get banned for being stupid by messing with people who are ignorant, then just get their contact info. jeez
not once did i say he got banned for the messenger stuff or the way he talked to joshua. if you go back and read what i said, you'll see that. lol neither did b. we both said we didn't know the reason, and are sure the cl's had a good reason, or they wouldn't have done it. i just said, he hadn't changed, and i stick by that. and gave my reasons i didn't think he had changed. so let's not change words around. thanks. i also gave a reason why he could have gotten the ban. permantly and joshua didn't. i don't even know josh. have never talked to him. it was just all getting out of hand. they both could have put each other on ignore. this would have never gotten this far then. like i said garett had already had many warnings. so yeah. /
Look, I believe everything garet said was out of sarcasm. As a fellow sarcastic person I understand his actions. Now, if he was kicked off the zone for the Josh thing then that's a shame...but what's done is done.
what you guys are forgetting is, there should have never been a trial bullshit anything in the first place. not anywhere in the tos do I see it written where they would let someone come back on a trial basis. what the tos say pretty much is that if you fuck up you'll get banned. if you continue to fuck up you'll get banned for longer, and if you ultra fuck up you'll be ultra banned. so my issue with this whole fucking mess is, take trial basis out of this entirely!
Also, I have only seen 1 post by doug and none by any other cl's in defense of their actions. I also think it rather funny that the only cl's I ever see these days are bobby, doug, mya, and q. By all accounts, maddog shouldn't even be a cl anymore because he's never around, and neither should liz because she's never around either. I see that on the list of the last 100 log ins, she was here tonight, but hell am I surprised! If you can not be a hands on cl, meaning, if you always have to lerk in invisibility mode, and you are unwilling or unable to mingle with the rest of us common folks, you shouldn't be a fucking cl! And if you have other offline commitments that prevent you from checking in or up on the site, for fuck sakes, resign and allow someone who is here more often and sees what goes on here on a daily basis to take over!
My point is this. If indeed a vote was held about whether or not to revoke garret's privelages of using this site, and if indeed liz and ather were asked for their vote, how could they unbiasly vote against him, if they're never around here to fucking see what goes on? Just some more food for thought.
Tom I totally agree with you about demanding our money back if we are not satisfied with how things are run around here. However, that's like demanding the sun to stop shining. It's never gonna happen. As for admins or cl's doing what the people of this site want, it's never gonna happen either. Obviously by their lack of contribution to boards, or rather, this one in particular, they see no need or reason to defend their actions. Two words for that. Fucking, pathetic. In no particular order lol.
Cam
if garret was kicked for the josh thing, then i know a hell of a lot of other ppl who sshould b gone
I completely agree with ya there Cam, why be a CL if your not here to fullfill the full responsibilies of one.
here is my take. if indeed garret was banned for the josh thing then a lot of us should have been banned as well. i will admit, i did go off on him on that bored. i honestly think i have done some things worth a ban on here. i have called people names and things like that. if you want my honest oppinions, i think the cls have favoritisms on here. and if you would like to argue that we can. I have sceen it a lot on here. Now, i am not putting blame on anyone but i really think joshua.bazac or however you spell it should get banned because he made death threats. and if you don't think so your out of your mind. it is in plain view for you all to see. i can't believe he has not gotten banned yet. and i have no idea if he is autistic or what have you but that should be no excuse not to bann him or what have you. he has gone against the t.o.s. now, that is what i have to say and any cls or admins want to disagree with me feel free. it is on the boreds. and on that whole joshua bazac topic. why did the admins or cls not lock the topic? that would have been the best plan of action. Thank you all for reading. I know a lot of people share my sentament here.
austin, you might wanna read all of the board before you go spouting shit. he was already banned, but supposedly temporarily. garret was banned supposedly perminenntly.
Cam i agree with you, and i'll have no problem saying it again. the cl's and admins don't have the balls to put anything here, cause they kno they're backed in a corner. yeah, Doug posted on here, but he didn't give any detailed reason as to why this happened in the first place. i also agree that if your a cl you should be around, and visible as well. okay, so sometimes being invisible is a quick and easy way to check things around here, if! your pressed for time, but, if it's just so you don't have to deal with people asking you questians, then why the fuck did you become a cl in the first place? i also agree with Cam, that the only cl's i see around are Q Doug and mya. sometimes Bob and Scott, but never the other 2.
I'm surprised you haven't figured out the answer to this whole situation yet. It's so simple and obvious, and nobody's gone and said it, so I'll be the brave soul and take the plunge. Life is unfair, deal with it.
I also agree with shark. If your gonna be a CL, do your job, don't come on here, and stay invisible, I can too see the times when it would be quick if u r pressed for time, but if your not, then just come on here. I too only seem to see singer, bob, and doug sometimes. Never, have I seen maddog, or Liz, and verry verry rarely do see Q.
If you read those famous terms of service the first part of term 4 states that repeatedly annoying users after they have requested such annoyance to seize is a breach of the terms of service. This clearly falls under that. As for death threats, saying "I wish you would die" or "jump in front of a bus" does not legally classify as a deat threat, only a very specific offer to bring one´s death about. There are many legal presidents for this.
If you feel so strongly about this you can appeal it to a site admin, they make a final decission, which is absolutely at their disgression. So it seems like those of you who participated in the bullying of Josh should all be banned from term 4. Also I really do not think that demanding part of your $25 payment, even if it says it is non refundable, will scare the admins particularly. I assure you they do not live of the money they mke for this site.
i have just a few words on the matter,
it won't change things,
get on with your lives and shut the fuck up whining about it all.
hahahah sex on legs. sorry, but what is done is done.
onestly...I feel that the Cl's that are not on here much, shuldn't be Cl's whatsever. And...another thing, if I were to ask a Cl a queston on another user, I want the truth, straight up honest answr, no beating around the bush. The Admins needs to take a serious look at the CL's and decide upon who should be a CL or not.
I really do miss Garret, and wouldae him back.
Hugs to my favorite yankee!.
My goodness, people. This is really ridiculous. What's done is done. Move on. The CL's and admins obviously have their reasons for doing what they did, and they don't have an obligation to explain those reasons to us. They are not bound by some rule that says they must explain to the entire site why they ban a particular user. It's really not everyone's business. It's between them and the user in question.
If Garret truly means that much to you all, then surely you have other ways of contacting him. This is just a website, not your life, and if it is, well . . . I'll just leave that one alone.
I do agree with Cam on the fact that there never should've been a "trial period." Garret was supposed to be banned permanently for whatever reason, so why bring up a trial period? In the three years I have been coming to this site, not once can I recall the CL's or admins doing that for anyone else.
I just keep reading how so many of you are getting sick and tired of this site and how it's being run. If you don't like it, then stop coming. It's as simple as that. You do not need to come to this site if you truly hate it so much.
now let me clear up a things up here. i did know josh was banned. for what i do not know. i knew that when i posted previously. my whole point is why did it not happen sooner and why was that topic not locked? that is my whole thing. i don't like to sound like i have sides here. thank you. i read this entire bored before posting. i am done here. there is nothing more to say.
All hail Gemini, the queen of common sense, I would take of my hat for you if I had one.
and i agree with cam here. i have sceen q and doug a lot on here. and i think that doug could not say much because of comfidentiality reasons and that was between him and the other cls or whoever was involved. doug and i are vary close friends but i know that doug would take the appropriate action if he saw me do something against the t.o.s. i have a good feeling doug does not play the friendship card or favoritism. Now, don't get me wrong, i'm not sucking up to doug or anything like that but i am saying my honest thought.
now i really am done on this bored.
One thing you gotta remember here. The Zone has, for as long as I can remember, been the site a lot of us go to when we're bored and have nothing else to do or anywhere else to go, so when something like this happens, everyone gets all fucked up about it. My opinion isn't gonna be popular but here it is. If Garet, or Joshua, or anyone else does anything to go against the T.O.S and they get permanently banned, whining and pissing about it won't solve a goddamn thing. This board really doesn't solve anything. Maybe this will teach Garet to cool it down a bit and take a look at himself a bit. What he did was funny sometimes but he went too far and he got his ass busted for it. Simple as that.
WOW...What an interesting board all the way through. First off let me say thanks to those of you who defended the cls. We do at times make descissions that are not popular. However I want to possibly clear up a few things. So that we can get back to being amore prosperous group of people.
In fact the staff do read board I have read though most of these, and I truely have a clear view of how most of you really feel about staff now. And as I stated on an earlier board today and I am only speaking from me not any other staff at present, but if we are so bad and you don't like the way that we do thing as far as I am concerned you can go chat on any number of sites and let them deal with your rederick. AND BEFOR YOU GO RUNNING YOUR MOUTHS AND SAYING I TOLD YOU TO LEAVE THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM SAYING, I AM MEARLY POINTING OUT AN OPTION FOR YOU.
I personally take offence to anyone accusing me of showing favorism and if you would like to talk to me on a one on one basis and we can arrange that cause I am courious to who things I do. I personally take pride in being a CL andyes I do over look somethings because they are petty but be assured that if you did them over an over again on a daily or hourly basis sure I am gonna be on you too.
Now in closing. Many of you have pointed out the fact thta you did the same thing that yankee did over time if you would like to send me your offenses and about when you did them i am sure we can arrange for you a banning too.
PLEASE LETS GET THINGS BACK IN HARMONY AND ENJOY THE ZONE IN A PEACEFUL AND HARMONIOUS PLACE.
(this posting is of my opinion and my own opinion only and therefor does not reflect the other staff members of zonebbs.com)
well said, Doug.
Doug, why don't you or one of the other CL's lock this topic so it will die a natural death? I mean, come on, it's gone on more than long enough. Garret has been banned, people need to deal with it and stop wasting board space.
jesus christ! I agree with all the other people. Banning of Garret was stupid! So he bashed, but well... the people deserved it. And, of course I'm agreeing with Brandon on one thing. I've lost lot of respect for some of the Cl's.
Thanks,
Karrie
well well well, this board is still up, I see! hmm, agreed, libra lady, get rid of this stupid board and give us more board space! lol, and, well said, doug!
by the way who is garret? i barely remember him. I also forgot what the whole wining is all about. Isn't this the nature of the virtual world? if you do not see or hear about someone in the zone for a couple of days, he/she are forgotten. that's what will happen to garret, joshua, or anyone. Just like what happened to the tens of people who got banned before him, and i am sure this will apply to the ones who will be banned in the future.
QUOTE Doug V
what is so hard for you wpeople to understand ... gizmo i have said this over and over again... but read it once again ... garret was already on a permanent ban. He was allowed back on a trial basis. SIMPLY HE DIDNT FOLLOW THROUGH. end of story nothing more to speculate...
Exactly how didn't he follow through? surely he would have had to break one of the terms and conditions to do that? if so, which one?
Now i've heard parts of the email that was sent to Garret, and what concerns me is that quite a few CL's did not publically warn Garret when he posted it, indeed they posted to the topic themselves and quite enjoyed it, so if it's about the Cuntrap board, don't you think that's just the slightest bit hypocritical?
Secondly, Garret answered and continued to answer private messages sent to him by Joshua, If Joshua wanted to ignore Garret, then he should simply have ignored him on all avenues. However he didn't, and he indeed took it a step further by contacting Garret himself. If Joshua put his contact details in his profile and Garret used them to contact him, then that's his own stupid fault. Garret may well have mentioned him on the Zone, but there should honestly be no law against that? otherwise none of us can talk about who have us all on ignore? What happened to freedom of speach?
What happened to CLs not being our parents?
well said loui! Yes, this board post is stupid, but I think the banning of garret is stupider!
Peace,
Karrie
Who cares? Do you guys think all the bitching is going to bring him back? Highly unlikely. It's done. Whether you aagree with it or not, the decision's been made. It's time to move on, although that seems to be a difficult concept for some people to grasp.
I agree with Gemini's post. If people are so unhappy here, nobody is forcing them to stay.
Who cares? Do you guys think all the bitching is going to bring him back? Highly unlikely. It's done. Whether you aagree with it or not, the decision's
been made. It's time to move on, although that seems to be a difficult concept for some people to grasp.
I agree with Gemini's post. If people are so unhappy here, nobody is forcing them to stay.
Well put. Now let this topic die already. just delete it, but i still haven't recieved an answer to the question that I posted.
let me first thank all of you who took the time to post on this topic. i agree, the banning of garret will not be overturned. its not the fact that someone some of us liked got banned that should concern us. its the inpropratity of misconduct, favoretism, and selective enforcemnt of some rules. in the u.s.a. we have, in theory, a checks and balances in place to, in theory, prevent abuse by one goverment agency. sure, the owners do not have to tell us a damn thing. sure, its their computer equipment, its their virtual space. lets face it, some of u as paid members have no rights, no say so's on how this site is runned or by whom. or, what rules are applied and to whom. i hope that when it comes to recommend a site, or even renew your subscription u think of what i said. u, do not matter! u, just pay, and if the powers that be dont like u, or u didnt kiss enought ass then u. r. fucked.
as for taking this board off, well. go ahead, u will just prove what i am saying. cheers.
loui, why should they, being the cl's, have to explain on the boards why he got banned, or give him warnings in public? It's really none of your or our concern. . That's like saying you get fired and the boss should go and explain it to every individual that works there. it just isn't going to happen. No, the cl's isn't here to be our babysitters, but they are here to make sure rules are followed. that's what there doing here. I don't recall where any cl was agreeing with the c trap board. i may be wrong though.
You guys have never managed to prove the alledged favoritisms you keep going on about.
Garet clearly and indisputably broke rule #4 of the T.O.S. by repeatedly annoying a user when user had requested for such annoyances to stop. Believe it or not, folks, you can't just go blame the ignore button for your antics. A person should have the right to be on here and be treated with, yes, some respect, although not in the quantities Josh demanded. A user has the right to log on here and be not ganged up on by a few other losers without having said anything, I saw this happen countless times, and I do not log in here that terribly often, use your qn histories if your memory does not serve you adequately.
If you think, in real life, a teacher or someone would not take action if a kid with mental issues was constantly being bullied, I, for one, certainly hope that you are wrong. Not that the CLs are our parents, thank goodness, but they are here to make sure the site is enjoyable for as many users as possible and this Josh drama was clogging up the public QNs so badly there often was room for nothing else.
Josh, I believe, either got a ban or his family was contacted so he's no longer on here, since he, apparetly, broke some of the T.O.S. he got what he deserved, fair enough. Garet broke his trial terms, which perhaps he never should've gotten in the first place, so he's out perminantly, rightly so, the only misconduct you can find there is excessive leniency perhaps.
If you have other breaches of the T.O.S. post them on a board or contact your favorite CL.
Garet could have, just as easily, ignored Josh, he chose not to do so in order to get more ammunition to degrade him on the boards. There is nothing funny about it, it's pathetic, if you don't believe me, look at the title of his "cunt trap" board, seriously, what person would do that? I won't even go into the fake freedom Americans think they have, that's an entirely different topic for a different board, I'd like to see how many f words are utterred on American tv, how many artists can criticize the president without having their albums burnt, how can the tapping of phone calls be classified as freedom?
As far as I can see the T.O.S. were breached by a user, for the second time, he got what he deserved and his friends, missing both the favorite victim and the leader of the bullying gang go create boards to whine about it, very touching.
I was getting sick of not being able to view quick notes because there was nothing but Josh bashing on there, it destroyed the site for the rest of us who really want to have discussions on public QNs once in a while.
I agree, perhaps, there are some CLs who really should be more active or hand over their duties to others who are here more frequently. That being said there are many of the most frequent users whom I would never trust as CLs, I will name no names of course.
It's a great site, it's amazing people donated so much of their time and effort to write the code, set up the server, set up the place, maintain it and make sure it functions. This is such an unthankful job I am amazed they still do it. All they get is bashing and, yes, an impressive sum of, what 300 dollars, may be 500 a year .. it equates to 10 hours of contract programming work, not considering costs associated with server, bandwidth etc. And they have to split it, mind.
If you want a site dedicated to bullying, go write one folks. Try to come up with some concrete examples instead of the generalized bitching that does nothing for your cause. For example, show us examples of the death threats Josh alledgely made. Keep i mind that telling someone to jump in front of a bus is not death threat, since you are not offering to bring it about. Wishing someone were dead is not a death threat either, it is merely a wish. A specific threat using one's real name and carryig certain credibility that the person uttering the threat might have resources or will to follow through with the action classifies as death thrat under the American law anyway.
If this weren't true all the violent log ins and virtual splatter discussions on here easily classify as death threats.
At least all these discussions are limited to one board so I do not agree that it takes up space on the boards, with word game boards of 5000 posts this is nothing.
I, believe it or not, quite liked Garet, I found many of his QNs witty and quite funny and I will miss him. But his actions in this particular case justified exactly what he got, sadly. If he hadn't been so obsessed with the Josh bullying he'd still be here, if CLs hadn't done anything and this would've been the day in day out public QN discussion many users would've left the site perminantly and CLs would have tolerated the aforementioned breach of T.O.S. #4.
Anyway, that's enough from me, this discussion is getting old but I am half fascinated with it, I must admit.
cheers
-B
okay, listen, all the pissing and moaning in the world won't do a damn thing.
It sucks that garit was band but I'm sure Doug and the other cls had there reasons
shit shit shit! damn, if ever i'm banned, (not likely) lol, shit, will you all be as devoted as in making a board for me too? aww'ww, thanks, you all are so sweet! * giggles
Well, nothing left to say, but, "Useless, getting old, boring, not gonna make a difference, and, fucking, move, on!..."
ah well, It's done and over with... lets just get along? Are we in preschool? Yes, carlos has a good point, but as others have said, there's no point attempting to bring him back. I'm not kissing ass by no means.
B, I couldn't have said it better myself. A lot of things happen on this site that shouldn't. If you don't like it, then don't come on here. I took a break for a little while because of my own issues with it, you know you're all free to do the same. Cody did the same thing. Mike, I don't know what to say to your question except that what Cody did was a good example of what the rest of you who are complaining about Garret being banned should do: get a life, or focus on the life you have outside the internet. And if this is really the center of your worlds, then you should do something about that. So if you think this is so terribly unfair, then find another website to go to. Or better yet, why don't you all tell Garret to sign up for another site so the same thing can happen all over again? That's all I have to say here.
Well said dez.
agreed, Dez.
Wow, this board is facinating. I like the idea that there is an outcry against favoritism and unfairness in the way the CL's and Admins deal with zoners complaints. I will propose a very simple solution that may put the matter to rest.
First, I agree that there is favoritism in Garret's case, but it was in his favor not against him. As far as I know he is the only one who was banned for a serious violation of the terms of service, and was allowed back in on a trial basis. I was very happy to see him back because we got along fine, and I like him, (most of the time). The solution lies in a change of policy designed to address issues of favoritism and unfairness. All the people who were banned in the last five years, including Garret, must be given the chance to return to the zone on trial basis. Everyone of them must be given two chances, except Garret, he must be given only one extra chance, (he had been given one already). I think this simple solution could really restore the confidence of the honorable angry zoners, and restore a sense of fairness to the process of decision making in the zone in times of controversy.
Secondly, I find it facinating that a lot are saying that Garret was not warned. I wish to dispute this claim. I know very well that he was warned in my presence on the zone, among others, by Singer of Songs. At the time, many of us publicly or privately told the CL that although we think that the Joshua bullying should end, we do not wish to see him banned. At the time Garret thought that that night would be his last. He stayed ten more days but continued his Joshua attack. He knew what was awaiting him. He made a decision, and this is its consequence. Anyone who has access to history can dig up the conversation that night.
I think the solution I proposed could put this matter to rest for good. If Garret is allowed a second time, it makes no sense not to allow everyone who was banned before, and give them two more chances.
Cris,
Does this mean, that us that haven't never been banned get 2 more chances?
Cris, nice idea, but does this also include thoes acounts that were proven to be fake as well? like, ones that were found to not be real people, but someones imagination, and don't actually exist?
Cris and I agree, we should be fair and let all back, no matter what they did, with the same 2 tries and all.
I hate to disagree with Cris, but I do not believe all who have been banned in the past should be given even one more chance, let alone two. Some of those people have already shown no ability to grow up and change their behaviors as they kept trying to come back under different names and acted the same under those different names.
I think the CL's are as fair as they can be and honestly do try. But, if they're not 100% fair to everyone, well life is not fair, is it? Come on people, grow the hell up and get over it.
lol! Would you really want that? That would mean Julio the blind Man coming back! Well, I think he was back twice, as well, so I dont know about the favoritism thing. Could be, but I agree with Carlos, and I can also see the other side of the story. Yes, it was unfair, but that happens, and no matter what we do, nothing will bring him back. This is an awesome board though! Even though he was one of the most ignored, I bet it's nice to see he has friends who care, me being one. True, it doesn't make sense, and it's sad, but what can we do? There's just some things that cant be controlled, and that can mean many things! Garret's banning couldn't be controlled by anyone but him or the cl's or admin's, and maybe he'll find a way to return. Hugs if you ever read this!
Posts Whatever of However many
Link Yankee G Wolverine
The King of the Assholes/Account Disabled
1100+ posts
Monday, September 15, 2008 0:50:27/whenever this gets posted
I'll start by saying, feel free to hit tab here. You have always had that option, yet some JAWS users choose not to use it. I also ask that this post please not be deleted, and the poster of it be allowed to do this for me. I've asked for this message to be posted so I can express my views on the recent events. Though unpopular as the idea may be, I really find it necessary.
1.
I'm not here to bitch and complain about being banned. I'm not happy about it, I don't believe it was the right move, and I've got forms of justification for my own thoughts that I'll attempt to write here. I'd like my account back, though I don't expect it to happen, perhaps though, my feelings on the matter will make some people think. Just to be clear, I've absolutely been scanning the boards, and no, I have not, and will not make further accounts. My one and only user ID is 2248 and I'll never log in with another. If that means I'll never log in, well then I hope I've provided you all some entertainment over the years, and I'm sorry to those I offended that never took shots at me. Some of the things I did were unnecessary, and for those I apologize. I do not count the CuntTrap board among these as I'll explain a bit later.
2.
I wasn't happy to see that a zoner was banned on account of me. I'm sorry Manic, you shouldn't, in my opinion have been banned, though I didn't advise you to post the message I got from the zone staff. For the complete message, please read below. I do believe it was wrong of the person that removed this user, and the board he created. What type of hypocritical nonsense in my opinion. You're not the parents? Yet someone speaks ill of the administration and they're removed within 12 hours? That to me is the lowest of low, and I for one would be disgusted if I worked for the site and such things were removed. Claiming it is freedom of speech on this site is absolutely insane when you consider those things happen. I don't know how often it happens, but I'm sure it's not the first time.
Still on the subject of the message I received, I will be posting it as fully as it appeared in my personal inbox. I am well within the law to do this, and this is the reasoning for my posting said message. Here it is.
"Your Zone BBS Account?
From: Zone BBS Support (support@zonebbs.com)
Sent: Thu 9/11/08 2:56 PM
To: yankeegwolverine@hotmail.com
Garrett, Since your return to the Zone BBS, we have received several complaints Concerning your bashing, bullying and being overly disruptive to theSite. Several of the staff have mentioned this to you, which seems tonot phase you a bit. Even when the Person put you on ignore you continued to badger them in public Quick notes. Further, you have posted personal information in the form of privatemessages on the board which you created called "I am Cunt Trap, Hear me Cry". This is in violation of T.O.S. number 4. "4. Harassment ofother users is not tolerated. This includes, but is not limited to, the following: . The spreading of personal information. You are also in violation of T.O.S. number 4 within that same topic ". repeatedly annoying other users after they have requested suchannoyance to cease." Given your past history on the Zone BBS, we, the entire Zone BBS staff, have come to the decision that you are no longer allowed on the site,and no appeals on your behalf will be heard. We do understand that there are others in violation of the T.O.S. and we will be dealing with them accordingly. Thank you, the Zone BBS Staff"
My first question is who is Garrett? I most certainly am not, but that's the only mention of the truly dreadful punctuation and spelling I'll make here.
Oh, sorry, I do need to point out that CuntTrap doesn't have a space. It never did, and it never will.
I wonder next about the following line.
"You are also in violation of T.O.S. number 4 within that same topic ". repeatedly annoying other users after they have requested suchannoyance to cease." "
How is this possible? As in the case of the person in question, I never once sent a quicknote his direction after he put me on ignore. Even if I had, he wouldn't have seen it. If, as you say, I was still annoying this user, how did he know? It's impossible, and I believe that may have been overlooked and not taken into account when banning me. Also, I never initiated conversation with this person. I replied to messages that he himself sent me. Messages which in fact contained no personal information. As the messages were sent to me personally, it doesn't violate any term of service that I see. I've read them very carefully several times; I'm quite familiar with them. If this was against the terms, why? It's perfectly legal to post things that you receive in any other jurisdiction, but apparently not the Zone BBS. I can live with that, I wouldn't have posted them had I known that it was against the rules. Or indeed, as it seems, the rules that were made up when the poster in question was the poster. I'm not accusing, but I am saying how it looks to me.
Still on the private messages. Yes, I replied to them. I reply to every message I receive. I don't particularly care for those that don't reply to me, so I extend a hand in the form of a reply to them. My messages were brutal, I admit that. Some comments I made were unnecessary. I can admit that to. To say however that I can't have replied to them is a joke. The person in question had the ability, as did I, to ignore one another's messages. Neither of us chose to do that, and so, I say it's an even point. If that's not acceptable, well then, I guess it's not acceptable. I personally believe that people on this site should be able to say what they feel, and as an honest person, a lot of what I say isn't agreed with. I'm fine with that fact to be honest. I don't need to be loved by all.
I'd like to comment on this trial basis that I was on. Yes, I was aware that that was the situation. No, I didn't know when/if it was going to end. I'd like to thank those involved for allowing me back, though I really thought the trial basis idea was a quick trigger method to get rid of me. I mean, how could you not. Seriously, it's as if a blind guy has a rifle, and is shooting, and eventually he/she is going to hit you. That's how the trial basis seems to work. As far as I was concerned, I was either back, or I wasn't. I was careful in a lot of the things I wanted to say on the site. Anyone that knows me, knows that. My problem is that I'm an honest person, if I have an opinion, I'm not afraid to say it. Apparently, I should've been. That's about all I have to say on the trial situation.
As for being the only one banned for this incident. That to me is laughable. Do I believe that the administration have people they favour more than others? Yes, I do. It happens in life, and to deny it is extremely funny. I have a lot fore respect for a CL that's willing to say that they have favourites. That's right, if you say it, and it's true, I have no problem with it. If that's your position however, and you claim that it's not, why! No, that's not a question, it's a statement. I really can't even think of a single person that doesn't have favourites. You want to know my favourite CL? It's Q. The reason for that is he's fair when he can be. That, and I see him a bit more than Bob, who I also find to be a damn good CL. Does that mean I'm trashing the others? No, not by a long shot. Does it mean that I expect special treatment from the ones that I like? Hell no! That's my thoughts on the message and subheadings under it.
3.
I really would like to thank certain people for defending me on this board. It means a lot to me, and I want to make that clear. I know it hasn't made a difference, but still, I've got a little place for you all that decided to support me. Right...I know that's the shortest part of this post, but saying any more on the subject is just repeating and babbling.
4.
I've also taken note of the people against me on the board. One thing I noticed, for not wanting the board around, you sure do post a lot. Especially you Chelsea, by the way, I sense a lot of bitterness in your posts that I know wouldn't have been there even a few months ago. Hmmm, perceptions change eh?
RDFreak. I saw you calling me a "Looser" on the CuntTrap board. That doesn't offend me at all. Hell, not even loser would've offended me, but that's beside the point. You claimed that I threatened others? Yeah, way to make something up. I don't threaten. It’s not a part of my game. Not that I have a game, because I really don't. I mean, I threaten to write back if I'm written to. I threaten to post something that I'm perfectly within my rights to post. So thank you very much.
Oh, perhaps I read it wrong, but Happy Cris? You seemed to indicate that in the virtual world, if a person doesn't exist, then they aren't real in any sense. Again, I could've mistaken what you said, but I don't think I did. Yes, ask that person that doesn't exist if he'll help you install programs that aren't easy sometimes. Ask that person that doesn't exist why he'll happily greet you when you log in. If I'm allowed back, be assured that those practices will stop. It won't harm you at all though, since after all, I'm just alive in the virtual world.
I could probably mention others, but they're not important enough to me to mention.
5.
For those of you that read through this entire post. I'm sorry it ran into another. I just wanted to post my views and opinions, and this is honestly the shortest way I've come up with. I've thought a lot over the last 3 days about what I wanted to say. I don't expect to be allowed back, but if I am allowed, I'm extremely appreciative. I know it's a lost cause, and my pleas will fall on deaf ears, but this place, and many of the people, virtual or otherwise mean a hell of a lot to me. I'm really thankful that you've allowed this post to remain up if indeed you have. If not, well...what can I say, I'm not happy with your decision, but I'll respect it. Or respect it to the best of my ability I should say. While I hope you let me back, I'm confident you won't, but if this is up, at least you've let me have my say. I really hope that you allow the person that posted this to stay. These are my words, and any information given, is information that is allowed to be given. I give full acknowledgement that I've said what I've said here and previously. Through these pages, I hope that you'll understand where I am coming from. I want to say that I have no army. No one that I command to post for me, I have generously been given this opportunity by the person that posted. I say it like that, because I don't at this time know who that will be.
6.
If you want to contact me, I'm more than happy to give my info right here. My msn address is theaverageyankee@hotmail.com
My aim screen name, is Yankee garret 24
Some of you I really hope to be back in touch with.
I hope it's noted that I'm not kissing anyone's ass here. That's something I don't believe in, and it doesn't get the job done, ever. Before I go, I want to say a few little things. As if what I've said isn't enough.
Sky Sky Sky Sky Sky Sky Sky Sky Sky Sky Sky Sky Sky Sky!!!! Huger than the hugest of huge hugs for my reversalclone!!!!
Huge hugs, Lizzy Liz Liz.
Thanks for reading,
Garret Martin
Yankee G Wolverine
User#2248 of the Zone BBS.
Post Script
Hugs Ashley! Just read your post, and damn right it’s good to see people like you.
very very well said, Garret. i must admit that Q is my favourite cl to, but i wouldn't want him to play favourites with me either, and he knows that. oh, and i'm sure manic doesn't hold his being band against you either.
well thought out, well written garret, you can tell that took you some time to put together.
you have been as honest as possible, i don't like the emiil you receved, i found it laughable.
take care huge hugs
Well, there you have it everyone. Everyone has been discussing what many think to be speculation, but now you can all see for yourselves why Garet was banned and how he feels about it. If nothing else, I hope you've all learned something from his post. But I'd like to address a few complaints that I've seen on this board.
Some of you think nothing will be done by reading or posting to this board. Now, you might be right about that, but one thing that encouraged me to post here is that no appeals Garet makes will be heard. From what I gather, some people seem to have a problem with this, either because we disagree with the ban or because regardless of what happened, we want Garet back. Even if nothing is done, certain people wish for their views on this matter to be heard. Even if it doesn't make a difference for Garet, maybe this will impact how other users are dealt with. But regardless of what Garet has done in the past, he's a part of our big zone family. It's disfunctional, but we're all a part of it. What the CL's have done is take someone away from that family, and this makes me very sad. The CL's might not have been happy to do it. I think some of them were sorry to see him go. But they felt this was the only way. And while I don't like that, I can understand it. Personally, I know a lot of you see the CL's and judge them by the decisions they make. But I know they're good people, and I know the decision they made was the decision they made was best--even if it upsets me to see him go. But anyhow, regardless of what the CL's say or don't say or do and don't do in regards to this topic, this is an important topic to some of us. That's why we're discussing it. If you don't like it, close the topic and move on.
agreed Lins and Rosey. while i still stand by what i've said already, and that won't change, we all have the right to express our feelings on the matter, even if it does fall on deaf ears, wich is what most of us are doing. also, Rosey's right, if you don't like the topic, then don't post to it telling us you don't like it. close the window and go find a topic you do like. no-one is forcing you to read this and post to it.
after going back over Garret's post, i want to bring up this. After Joshua put Garret on ignore, how is it possible for him to kno that Garret was talking about him in publics if he couldn't see the qn's? keep in mind, Joshua was not a premium member, or at least i don't think he was, so qn history is ruled out. someone had to have been reposting what Garret was saying, and i think the cl's should find out who that person, or persons were, and they should be band to. if i'm not mistaken, that is against the tos as well.
The CL's know who was involved but are still deciding what to do about it. Just thought I'd also put that out there.
I have a question that no one bothered to answer. I know for a fact he crashed someones computer either via qn's or messenger during a quiz. The person asked him to stop. I even asked him why and he basically said because I can and its fun. Now, if you all want someone like that to be around that can screw with anyone's equipment or just make life miserable for someone, then I am missing something? Doesn't everyone have the right to come here and not have people crashing their computers in anyway? Maybe I am wrong? Help me understand what the fuck I am missing cause personally that's just wrong!!
well it's good that they kno, but what's their to decide? honestly, say for example, i knew that user A, had put user b, on ignore, and i decided to send user A, what user b. was saying about them in publics, just to see them keep arguing or for whatever reason, i'd have the disable button pressed on my acount the minute! a cl foundout about it, no questions asked. their's no way in hell i'd do it, but do you see what i'm getting at?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: life is not always fair, deal with it. That goes for Garret, his supporters, and those whom I've heard say unpleasant things about Garret in the past but who have shown they are hypocrites by supporting him once he was banned.
Oppinions are like assholes, and everybody's got one. Naturally, then, so do I. I agree with Cam. Either you're here or you're not, either you're pregnant or you're not. Nobody wakes up one morning and says "ah, what the fuck, I think I'll TRY being pregnant today." Doesn't happen. Obviously, somewhere, somehow, somebody got off on the fact of a "trial," or "probation," or whatever. Whether I get banned or not because of my oppinion and the way I express it, I don't give two shits. No skin off my asshole if somebody wants to disable my account, because I can find better things to do if need be. Last time I checked, I live in the United States, and we can say whatever the fuck we want, AS LONG AS, we're not, i.e. threatening to assassinate the president, or some bullshit. Now, in regards to the situation at hand, the guy who made death threats, and has a mental disability, is not a special snowflake! I ain't gonna lie, I'll put it right here in black and white. I, TOO, HAVE SOME FORM OF MENTAL DISABILITY! IT'S CALLED an ANXIETY DISORDER. In fact, it took a lot of testicular fortitude, or in other words, balls, to sit here and write this out. Those little teeny pills that I have to take, every fucking day, are what's probably gonna get me through the next four years of college without visiting a mental institution. I went to a blind school. The one thing I agreed with, over there, that they did not do, was treat the mentally challenged children like little special snowflakes. We used to have a kid there who'd throw tantrums, just because it got her what she wanted when she was at home. Did it to me one day, I walked right up to her program aid, said, "This is the deal, this is what happened." That lady did not hesitate to physically move that screaming child, and stick her in her room, and she was later spoken to by the head of house. My point here, is that obviously, there's some favoritism. We don't know. Maybe there could be other mental issues happening here. I see what happened, quite frankly, as sick. If Joshua Whoever the Fuck did not choose to utilize the ignore features, then, that was his deal. I feel that Garret is being punished for somebody else's stupidity. Now, hypothetically speaking, if my roommate were a member here, would a CL even think to ban her, just because for once I stepped up and shot my big mouth off? No! Absolutely not. I'm not saying there is, but I'm saying there MAY BE, some personal attack issues here. In fact, I really do believe that the CL's need to step down and look at this not from an authoritative point of view, but from their own viewpoints.
To garret if you read this:
Hey man. I'm kinda lost by that message you got from the zone bbs support. I honestly think you did not go against the t.o.s. i know you were trying your best. the thing i can respect about you is your hhonesty. you do not see that anymore. a lot of motherfuckers you see say they are honest all the time but they not. so i commend you for your honesty. and we all know that joshua could have put on ignore or ignore the messages but as we see he chose not to. I understand he is banned as well but i have no idea for how long. and what the hell. everyone is soooo particular to personal info, i'll take this opportunity to give out my email and aim screen name and if i get banned for this i really could give a fuck less. my email is austingrace134@hotmail.com witch si used for msn and my aim name is djausting. my skype name is austingrace. there you go. and I'm glad your point got out somehow garret. well if you want to add me on facebook or myspace feel free :). We will stand up for what we believe in. yeah, it may not be right but it is what we think and we supposidly have the "freedom of speach" to say it.
well, if we do not see you on this site again, i wish you the best of luck and if you want to get in contact with me, feel free. Later.
Austin R Grace.
(user number 1315 on the zone BBS.)
wow, garet claims he didn't initiate the fighting. I for one know that to be crap. I was here several times when he would be invisible and come out of it, just to harass joshua. he himself said this in public qn's several times. then he would say he's gone now, back to invisability? how is that not initiating a fight? It's right there in qn history, so you can't say i made it up! Excuses can be made, but the damage is done, and the proof is still there!
Wow! First of all, huge hugs Garret! I respect you for this post you put out there, I can tell that was as honest as possible! Also, I agree with Becky and Escence of Faith, which I think each havee really good points! And you are right, even if he does not come back, I think this will be a good lesson learned to all of us, and I cant help but to think both Josh and Garret for that! I will say no more for now, but all respect to those who gave out such strong opinions!
Well done Garret very well written and well thought out. I can honestly say that the email from the Zone was a fucking joke, I laughed my ass off soon as I read that. I still think things were very well overlooked, I think they were to quick int heir actions but if then after seeing your post and your still not able to come back, the Zone will miss the entertainment and the Yotzi League you brought to us, It's your legacy and shall reamin your legacy for doing so. I liked watching yall play it when I was on sometimes. Well that's all to be said here I guess for now.
Rune Knight - Chris.
agreed with Kitten Austin and Ashley, all the way. that was Garret being as honest as he can be, and at least he was willing and wanted to explain his side of things. he didn't have to, but he did, and if you don't believe him, then that's not his problem, it's yours. oh, and Kitten i commend you for speeking up about your personal situation as well.
Omg, garret garret garret garret garret garret garret garret garret! Huuuger than huuuge huggles and cuddles for my reversalclone!
That was so wel thought out, much respect! I love your onnesty. That much more than i can say for alot of people on here. For example i was just watching public qn's, and, wow, there's heaps of people dissing you who never bothered to say a thing in publics to you when you were here. Fuckin decent respectful and onnest ay? Gotta fuckin love the cowards.
But, as i said, that was so well thought out, i respect that garret, alot. You didn't have to do that, but, it does show what a "decent" person you are. And that sertain peoples opinions are simply coz they couldn't be bothered taking the time to no the real garret. Pitty for them. I'm glad i'm not as shallow as that.
anyway, i won't go on, coz, i've said it all before. But, remember, where with you garret, 100%.
Sky-your reversalclone
Skye, i kno, right? it's just like what i was telling you about last night. it was the best laugh i've had for a few days, and i kno Garret will see this, so i won't go into it on here. lmao! and, i also agree with everything else you said to.
First, I would like to express that the opinions and thoughts which follow in no way reflect my feelings toward any zone BBS member mentioned herein, and are solely based upon conclusions and deductions gathered from the various Garret board topics and other relevant quick note discussions.
So...Liz, try posting something that doesn't make you look like a Borg drone? Second...Liz, try posting something that doesn't make you look like a Borg drone? And finally...Liz...aw hell, you've all guessed it by now anyway.
(before i start, i just want to appoligize to all my friends for doing this, but, i just couldn't resist! it was so funny to not pass it up. you guys kno who you are)
lmaooooooo! all that, just because i happen to agree with other posters, who happen to beat me to writing them out, or explaining things better than i could. i didn't kno their was a law against that sort of thing. so, no-one agree with me, or you'll get busted, okay? if you do though, waste more board space repeating the same sort of thing, cause if you don't, you'll get accused of being a boarge drone, or whatever the fuck that is. roflmao!
well, when I first decided to get caught up on all the postings, I really didn't expect to say much else. because quite honestly, I don't think there's much to be said already that hasn't been posted previously. but I'll say 1 thing and 1 thing only. Garret, that was 1 hell of a good job dude. I can tell that took a lot of, what is it krista calls it again? Oh right. Testicular fortitude. I just love that phrase krista!
But, I think we can hopefully see garret for who he truly is. The guy's got a heart, and a brain. Sure he might not have used his artful or not so artful insulting abilities well, but at the end of the day, he really is a decent human being. I also totally agree with rosey. This board is a place for those of us who knew and liked garret to vent our frustrations. So those who don't like it and are bitching and wining about it, fuck off and find another board to read. That's all I'll say on the matter for now, unless someone comes up with a good point that hasn't already been previously stated.
Cam
Well said, Cam!
All right. We can sit here and say Garet did this, Garet did that, Garet got what he deserves. But I ask you all to just show some compassion for one second. Before I get to the point I really want to make, let me just say this. Just because Garet looked like an "asshole" to you, it doesn't mean he's a bad person. Opinions are all in the eye of the beholder, and if you choose to see someone as an asshole, that's what they're always going to be. I think the number of people who have supported Garet shows that he does have a heart. His post here shows that he has a heart.
Now, my point is, Garet's style, when he came on this site, was to be an asshole. Sometimes we may have thought it was funny, and sometimes we may have thought he was going too far. But I will always serve as witness for Garet that he was trying to change his style into one that could be tolerated. And that's what people seem to be neglecting and/or forgetting. And when people are trying to change, they don't always know the right way to change. I'm not gonna sit here and say that he did or didn't know his limits. But I will say that when someone is trying to change, they need a chance. And if you are always going to assume the worst of a person and hold what they did against them, you will never be able to judge whether that person is really changing in an unbiased way. I'm not going to sit here and say that this person or that person has not done that. I'm just giving you all food for thought.
Well said, Escence of Faith. I agree, Garret does have a heart, just like anyone else would! Everyone messes up and makes mistakes, and even sometimes has fun doing it, I'm not saying it's always right, but things do happen, and I could tell he really wanted to do things right to avoid getting banned. And even if things were done that probably shouldn't have been done, I think he still tried his best and I think it was more like trouble sort of came looking for him! Now I dont know about the crashing computer thing, because I did not hear about that until this board, so I cant judge him for that, but I never believed him to be an asshole or anything like that! Now again, I'm not saying he didn't do anything wrong because I can only speak from what I see when I am here, and as everything else has already been said, I just mainly wanted to say, well said, Escence of Faith!
Oh, yeah, something else I forgot, hu'u'u'u'u'u'u'uge hugs Garret!
well said, Rosey. everyone can and does have the ability to change, if and when they choose to. it doesn't help matters when you have a hand full of people who see you as one thing, and refuse to even ignolage that you are trying to change, no matter if it's just a little bit or a lot. i kno that Garret was not out to get band at all, like he said, this place means a lot to him, so why would he come back, only just to get band again? i'm not going to sit here and say that everything Garret did or does is right, he knows that, and even if he didn't i'd have no problem telling him so. yeah, i found it funny, and all that, but that's beside the point. the point is, that he is only human, and so are the rest of us. we are what we are, and people are gonna either like us, or hate us, but we all diserve the chance to grow and change, not be seen as one thing, and that's all. we all have hearts, even if we don't show them a lot.
all I'm going to say is. I think certain cl's play favorites. thank you. guess that's what I get for leaving as a cl, eh?
lmao Liam. we all kno that they do. i was gonna write something else here, but forgot what it was. ah well. huge hugs Garret Garret Garret! cause i kno you'll probablly see this. lol
the facts are that you guys keep bitching about it and giving this topic more life than it should have and yeah before you say I know by me writing this is contradicting nyself but oh well. What is done is done and if you really have something against the cls or the way things are done around this place and all the other stuff you people bitch about, then why keep coming back?
WOW .. I have been waiting to post and I guess this is a great place after that post I LOVE BEER. You was right on target in my opinion. And let me state this is my opinion and does not reflect what any other CL or ADMIN. might have to say or feel.
I am really shocked at some of the posts that have been posted here. Not only has it showed how much anger people have but it also showes me how much anger they have twards a groupld that come on here and volenteer their time to try and promote a better place for people to chat.
I have seen people that I assumed were friends to turn their backs on people and tell of things they have done just to get a bit of satisfaction out of all of this. You have bashed Cl's claiming that they do every thing from ban people improperly all the way to showing favoritism to even doing stuff that we never did do.
I say that to say this. The Cl's here are volenteers and I know of none of us that would intentionally be mean to anyone. I also know that not only myself but others that do alot on and off the site to help many of you better your computing expearance...
Again my hope is that this will die down. Try a lil love and kindness it might help your day be jsut a bit brighter...
I said the same thing in my previous post. If you people don't like it here, if you don't like the way the site is being run, then leave. Stop complaining about something you cant' change and move on. If you think you can do a better job, then create your own site.
i don't seem to recall anyone saying that they don't like it here, and if they did then that's their appinion. you do kno what an appinion is, right? something we're all allowed to have, and should be able to voice without being told to shut up, wich is more or less what some people have been telling thoes of us who aren't happy about this at all to do. "shut up and be good little kiddys. it won't bring him back, and your appinions mean absolutely nothing to us". all we're doing is venting, and if you don't like it, then do as some others have already said, fuck off! and let us who kno and like Garret vent. i can't and won't say anymore on this, cause it's all been said before.
Liz, if I still had a job, I'd bet my paycheck that you will, indeed, say more on it. You can't seem to resist adding more of your nonsense every time someone else posts something.
Thank you, Becky. Liz, there is no need for you to be so rude. Everyone here has the right to post, whether they're "venting" or whatever. And, no one has to come straight out and say they are sick of this site. It's clearly coming off that way in the way you guys put down the CL's and admins. You guys are just pissed off because one of your friends isn't allowed here anymore. It's a done deal, but it seems that you can't get that through your head. No matter how much you bitch and complain about it, he's not coming back. All you guys keep doing is repeating everything you have already said. Tell me, what good is that going to do? seriously.
Thank u becky, and Gemini
. Perfectly put.
So let me ask this question please? If someone told you not to drive drunk, after you had served time in jail for drinking, and you got caught again drinking and driving, should you not be punished the second time in a harder manner? He was given a chance that most people wouldn't have been given and he still chose to not follow the rules. And its still funny no one answered my prior posts about him crashing other people's computers, so I guess that's okay with y'all? Again what am I missing??
This topic was supposed to be here to talk about and/or support Garet. it was never supposed to be a CL's bashing board. And if that's what it is, then I'm not going to post here anymore. I've known quite a few past and present CL's, and I support the work they do in making the zone a better place. I may not agree with everything they do, but I know they do it so that we can all have the best experience possible. That's just my own opinion, and you all have your own. But I think if you're going to post here, I ask that you stick with the topic. Support Garet, or don't support him at all. But it would make me very happy if the CL bashing is kept to a minimum. I'm not a CL; I'm a normal user. So you don't have to listen to me. But it would be nice if you did.
I agree with the post above. I personally have had to ask for help in using features here and everytime I needed help a cl was there to help!
I just wanted to say I appreciate all the CL's do. I know a lot of hard work and dedication goes into running The Zone, and doing ones best to make it a better place...so thank you to every CL; you're truly appreciated.
I've kept up with most, though not all of this. In response to post 153, this is totally not the same. The DUI or DWI offender could actually kill someone with his wreckless behaviour. Saying a few things on an internet site is not going to kill anyone. And I still say bring Garet back.
He was brought back after supposedly being banned for life. How many chances should we give him to prove he has not matured or learned how to treat people? OK, so he never did anything bad to me, but I certainly was witness to his nastiness towards others and to his bragging about crashing people's JAWS and the whole board topic about Josh. Come on people, give this topic a rest and get on with your lives.
Every time I see this topic finally making its way toward the bottom of the first page of "topics with new posts" someone brings it back to the top. It's been more than a week now. Contact Garret some other way to talk to him and let the rest of us enjoy the boards again. If you think it's not fair that he got banned, well I have news for you: Life is not fucking fair! Deal with it!
um, not getting in the middle of this, but I always thought it was three strikes you're out. and if he got banned over the whole thing with josh, shouldn't everyone who was involved with that get banned, and if it was over that, there are other topics that other people can get banned for, but they don't. so.
I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just trying to say something.
Oh please people! If you don't like the topic, why are you bringing it back up to the top? It's your fault it's there in the first place, thus drawing more people to it! I mean, I don't care either way. Garet's my friend, and this topic can stay up until the cows come home as far as I'm concerned. But seriously, if it bothers you so much, stop posting to it and thus provoking more responses.
Holy crap. Thats a lot of posts to try and sit through. I have the attention span of dust lint so I didn't read them all but I can say this. Garret should be brought back immediately. He has every right to be here. The arguments raised for his reinstatement are convincing. The only real argument I saw against was that he was on a trial basis and that he didn't follow it. I have no idea personally because I don't know the terms of his trial. However I do know this much. Garret has every right to say what he wants. And that other guy eh? Whatshisnuts, Josh? Became a willing participant to whatever Garret had to say about him when he decided not to block Garret. And as to the possibility of Garret doing something other than harassing this kid, well I am personally vouching that he wouldn't do that. I know him, and it isn't his style to try something malicious. He is retaliatory at best. Anyone who would say other wise without proof is lying I guarantee it. And all I have left to say is Garret's my friend, when he's allowed on this site burn him all you want, talk shit, whatever, but if he's banned thats like talking shit behind his back, but believe me you burn him like that and I'll burn you, trust me no one wants that. I'm not saying anyone did or has I haven't seen it. I'm just saying its not right. Oh and bring Garret back!
Oh and uh in response to the others complaining about this being brought back to the top of the boards, is it seriously that big of an issue to scroll half a centimeter to another topic? And people should be allowed to say what they please over whatever topic they choose. Is this not the reason places like this are created to say your honest opinion? you know like free speech and all that crap? I dunno just seems like a waste of a post to me. No offense or nuffin.
to the poster above, if you want I will research his bragging about crashing peoples computers because he could. If that is a friend you can fucking have him. I personally don't know him, but I did ask him to leave the girl alone after she asked him several times. its in qn history on a sunday during a quiz. He had a second chance and fucked it up so there!!! Do you really want people that can fuck with peoples shit around?? I don't!! and yes I agree Josh kept feeding the fire so they are both gone.!
the statement in your first post sounds like a threat, should someone look at that?? here it is,
shit, whatever, but if he's banned thats like talking shit behind his back, but believe me you burn him like that and I'll burn you, trust me no one wants that. I'm not saying anyone did or has I haven't seen it. I'm just saying its not right. Oh and bring Garret back!
hmmmmmmm!!!
Yea Brian! Good points in both of your posts. People who defend Garret's actions are just the same as he is...mean just because it's fun for them to be mean.
Excellent points brian.
i never made the allusion i was any different than Garret, why would I? Of course he and I are alike thats why we are friends. I bet you thought you were being astute when you made that comment. Now to be honest I did actually have second thoughts about my readiness to insult anyone who would insult my friend. But considering it was from sherlock I'm starting to rethink my rethink. Now granted it was blunt but certainly not a threat. Merely a warning. Thats why I put the whole I'm not saying anyone did blah blah blah. And if the one suggesting that they bring up proof of his misconduct go ahead. I won't defend him if he's been in the wrong. I simply said that I will defend my friend until actual proof has been brought. Thats all until I see it though then a friend is a friend and he deserves that respect from me.
first I didn't make any insult, just the truth, and second I am not a detective. I know what he said, ask him he crashed a persons computer because he said it was fun ask him yourself if your so close and let's see if he is honest or not, because I will get the fucking proof. and then if he is a liar what will you do, say I made it all up?? many others were in the quiz at the time and can tell you she asked him to stop. I guess I have to maybe get the proof after all cause maybe I am a better detective, like on dragnet, or maybe a good investigator like quincy?? hmmmmmm!! you come here after how many posts, and you would see I am not the only one the nose about that stuff. I have the balls to at least post it!! Like I said I have nothing against him personally but to screw with someones stuff when they want to come here and have a good time I am sorry, I have a problem with that. I will get back on the case sir!!
Brian, no need to feel like you should prove yourself, man...I'm totally in agreement with you. great points, by the way!
Omg you guys does it really matter who did what or didn't do the other? I thought this board was to support Garrett! I think a lot of these later posts have come well off topic! I mean, i dont think anyone ever said he didn't do anything wrong, or that what he did was cool, it's just the way the whole thing happened might have been a little unfair. Now I am trying to choose my words very carefully because I dont believe in blaming anyone for this because again, I dont know exactly what happened, therefore cant judge anyone! But from the way it seems, maybe the trial basis thing probably shouldn't have happened at all, and as stated earlier, if that was something they did for him, that probably should have been done for everyone else too. I'm just merely stating the way I see it! I'm not saying I dont think Garrett didn't mean what he did, either, but it could be maybe he should have had a chance to speek up, which, luckily he did on this board! I miss him, i'm not saying what he did was a good thing, but I do miss him and hope he's doing well.
How can it be unfair when he was given a second chance after supposedly being banned for life. How many second chances like that do we get in the real world? None, that's how many. So he got what he deserved by being banned for a second time when he proved he had not grown up or learned anything from the first time he was banned.
No matter your views on this subject, he will never be allowed back. So kicking andd screaming about it as some of you have done here is about as useful as farting. It stinks, it makes a lot of noise, and it drives people away. Other than that, not a lot will be accomplished. The purpose of this board wasn't necissarily to support him in the first place, rather it was to just talk about him as I see it here. He was brought back on a trial basis, and screwed that up, and it was our first time doing such a thing. Because of his actions, I seriously doubt we would ever consider bringing another user back on a trial basis. Agree or disagree all you want, but this was final the moment it happened. So carry on with your farting/posting if it makes you feel better, but know that your complaining will be about as instrumental in bringing him back as a ripped condom would be to STD prevention when having sex with some with every STD imaginable. I have nothing further to say on this topic.
The only reason I think it may have been unfair is because as the cl said, noone else has really gotten that kind of trial basis thing, and I think it is good they dont do that for anyone else because that does seem a lot like favoritism, and rules are rules! And if they have decided not to bring him back, that is sad, but nothing can be done about that. However, I think it is good that the cl's dont do the trial basis thing again. I may not be all for his banning, but i'm not about to bash anyone for it either. At least they both got banned, and not just Garrett!
In response to Brian. I don't understand why you are being so defensive. I actually put that I didn't see anyone insult him. I said that it would not be right to insult him, as in a hypothetical situation in the future made possible by the fact that Garret has no ability to defend himself. Secondly I did ask for proof I wasn't demanding and I wasn't accusing anyone of being a liar. I know he crashed someone's jaws, and I have heard his side of the story, which means to make a fair judgement I would need the other side of the argument. Which is why I stayed away from the topic of his whether he did or not. My goodness you do like to get worked up over it. I have to admit the detective bit was witty though. I told you my friend is my friend if he lies to me then it is my problem to deal with but I do trust the word of my friends, and I would choose my words more carefully when touching on the subject of trust and honesty among other people if I were you. To insinuate that my friend is a liar, is not only pompous of you, but rather rude as well. To assume that my friend is two faced like that is low, and to assume so arrogantly that I am so easily trusting of unworthy people, is unfathomably irritating. I'm sorry but I did not come here to argue, but I will not suffer at the hands of a biased opinionated hot headed, and obviously arrogant child minded person. I take offense that you would question the closeness of my friendship as well. To know that Garret hadn't informed me of the situation. Which on a side note he had in fact informed of his side of the story. As Garret explained it he was not the entirely vicious monster you seem to be portraying him as. That he was cruelly preying upon an innocent user for no other reason than the enjoyment of her mental anguish. Whether it was your intent to portray him as such or not is not for me to say, I cannot know your mind only your words, and that is exactly what your words say. I know that to trust one side of the story is foolish. Which is why I offered to listen to the other side, and then you lash back. So sherlock the better detecter this time I was insulting, this time I was aggravated by the words you said and how carelessly you threw them around. But as your amazing super sleuthing probably led you to know this already, right? And as an afterthought I never said he should be allowed back on the site. I never said what he did was right or wrong. Merely he was allowed to free speech, and that anyone who would bash him behind his back without the chance to defend himself was pretty low. And as a final note to miss music Queen 621 I wanted to thank you for what you had to say and let you know that Garret is doing well.
To the poster above, I was stating the facts, I have not been able to go back and find the qn's nor I guess it won't really solve anything. I wasn't trying to be an ass, and am sorry you took it that way. I personally believe in freedom of speech, and what ever happened with that part I don't care. I know what its like to have bad things happen to my computers, and not being a techno person, it always costs me money to have them fixed. I am sorry if you took offense of me questioning your friendship, like you said that's your call to make. The only thing I will stand behind here, is that it is just wrong for anyone, not just the person this board is about, anyone to screw with anyones stuff. I don't know and I don't really wish to fight with anyone here.
well, just out of curiosity, yankee got banned for life again, what about josh? or will we be seeing him again?
Well put Fuster..
who really cares?
I do, I don't want to see josh again. and fuster, are you a CL? I didn't see you in the CL list. but maybe I missed that?
He is, at least last time I looked.
Scott was also saying that no one else has ever been given a second chance as Garret was. When you are banned for life, that usually means...life. So actually it was unfair of them to even let him come back. I dont really remember much about when he was banned for the first time, but I'm sure if it had gotten this much attention and caused this much whining I would remember. So quit whining about his being banned again not being fair. He was given something other people who have been banned were not given.
And to the person who asked about Josh, I heard that was just for a couple weeks. But I could be wrong.
I wasn't going to comment to this topic again after Scott's last post, but since others have continued to post I couldn't help myself. LOL But Scott, very good points, and I wish you or one of the other CL's would lock this topic so maybe people would get on with their lives. I know someone else could start another board...but it's been over two weeks. Even some people who die are forgotten faster than this.
Oh, and to the person wondering about poor innocent baby Garret being talked about behind his back? He can and does read the boards because you can do that without being a member and logging in. Plus he's got all his winy little friends to tell him everything that is going on here.
Omg you guys who take it all so seriously and who are telling people to get on with their lives are doing just as much whining as anyone else is! Or am I wrong? I believe the purpose of this board was so that people could express themselves and their views on the situation. I could be wrong, but I believe the reason the cl's have not bothered locking the topic is simply because it isn't something that is doing any harm or going against the t.o.s, it is merely a way to vent frustration! I'm not taking sides with anyone, but I just wanted to point out that whining is whining! So people are posting here to tell everyone to stop wining and bitching and complaining about something we cant change? And what are you doing? I think most of us, for the most part, are quite intellegent enough to figure out that if something hasn't been done by now, it probably isn't going to get done, and so I dont think we need anyone to tell us that! Keep in mind I'm just stating the way this is appearing! Personally, I think this is rather intertaining! And so you ask yourself: why is this board still being posted to, in spite of the fact that we all have the equal choice to skip over it? Well, I think that can be answered quite simply and honestly. Those of you who waste time telling everyone to stop complaining must be just as interested in this board as the rest of us! Now I wonder why some of us are so ill-humoured, and why we all get so uptight about it! If you really are annoyed with this topic, why not just laugh and move on? If you really dont wanna hear people whine, why continue to provoke it? The answer is this:
Well, it's the zone, and we have no lives! Lol!
so we don't get yankee back, ok. I understand, but to have someone back, like josh, who had a hand in him getting banned in the first place, we have to deal with all his nonsense again!
man this dumb for the most part to argue really it's not going to do any good to keep slapping each other for thoughts just my thoughts.
Actually I believe 2 people before garret were aloud back after what was said to be a perminant ban. Kwo aka tempt1 and animal who's other names I can't recall. but those aren't as high profile users to s many and it was chris N who decided they should be aloud another chance as far as I heard, so not a voting of all staff as in this situation.
I think that if he really wanted to come back couldn't he come back with another user name? How does the banding thing work, is it just by your user name?
I believe they block your IP address, but I could be wrong.
Let's refer to the terms of Service:
"Each individual (user) is allowed only one account. If multiple accounts are discovered, all but one of them will be disabled. If a user is found to abuse this rule, we retain the right to suspend all of their accounts."
It's conceivable that he could try to create another account, but I'm quite certain he'd get figured out rather quickly. Plus, to Garret's credit, he's always said he'd never come back under any other name, and I'm inclined to believe him.
Ok .... I dont' know or wish to know aht Garet did do or did not do. But yes, some people do do things to get themselves ban. And if the cl's found it appropriate then so be it. And yes, the ignore feature is there for a reason true... And as for margorp I do not agree with what you said. Yes, being sarcastic is good being as I can be the same way. But if they felt he meaning garet had went too far, then that's way understandable... let's all move on from this fucking crap, and if people don't like the way the zone is run, Like doug had said, then chat somewhere else. And another thing. The person who stated "Do you think some of us would be pretty stupid to show our true personalities on this site?" Well, that may be true... But you need to consider how people that are getting bashed would feel. Some are sensitive more so than others. And as for the josh kid? Well, no mental problems should have been an excuse for his behavior too. No one should make death threats and violate the tos. OK, Now I'm finished...
I honestly do think that there are a lot of people on here who do show their true personalities.
OK I never liked garret but honestly I do believe SOME of the CLs past and present have proven that they do play favorites. I can say honestly that its not but maybe currently one on this site that does. Doug has proven many a time that he does not. Honestly if you want my total opinion the current CL staff is most likely the best we've had since I've been here. As for joshua and garret both, never of them should be allowed back on here.
I will agree that the current CL staff is the best we've had so far.
just had to revive this topic to say bring Garret back!!
I joined the zone about a month after all this originally happened, so I kinda just missed it. But i've read this and a few other topics from both Garret and Josh. I must say that while I think seriously overreacted to it all and did use a racist term, I did not agree with Garret's actions in the whole Josh situation. But I have two questions which I will outline below, though remember that I was not a member at the time that this all happened so i'm only going by the boards:
1. Garret was brought back from a permanent ban on a trial basis, which he promptedly screwed up. But does anyone know the reason for his initial ban?
2. I could be wrong as I probably do not have all the info on all this. But as far as I can see, the only time that Josh actually violated the TOS was when he apparently used a racist term in a PM to Garret. So technically, shouldn't that have only been a temporary ban, not a permanent one? What else did he do to get permanently banned?
Well, that's all for now. But it's almost 2 years since all this happened and Garret is still banned, so I seriously doubt he'll be coming back anytime soon, no matter how much you "fart" as Scott put it in a previous post.
Garret was ALWAYS nice to me...
Anyone talk to him, please send my hello along :)
will do, Grace.
Wow. Never knew that guy personally because he got banned before I joined this site. But if he was a good entertainer, bring him back so we can have some more drama fun. lol
to fighter of love and life ~Thanks much appreciated~
wow... fancy bringing a topic back?
hmm...
i really never know what to think of this.
i think robbie's right in a way about josh, i do not know of anything else that he's done to deserve a permanent ban.
as for garet.. he has really changed his ways, i think. i used to really dislike him, but when he got unbanned he was so nice to me. i've changed, i remember him saying. i will only anoy you if you piss me off.
how i wish i could speak to him just 1 more time... but on the other hand, he won't remember me now.
Ian Bennett.
With so many ways to communicate with people these days, why does it matter so much if one got banned from a website two years ago? There are worse things happening to people who live nearer to you.
Unbilladamandsteveable!
yes, true.
i need to search for people that i used to talk to that don't come on anymore as there's a few i'd like to find.
I'll gladly pass the message along to Garret that you all would like to be in touch with him. I'm sure he still checks out the boards from time to time as well so...
That sucks that he got banned. *sad*
i could very well be very wrong, but last poster reminds me of someone